Survey Software, Web Survey, Online Surveys, and Enterprise Feedback Management solutions from Vovici

Your email:
   

Welcome to the Listening Post!

Your single source for everything Voice of the Customer (VoC) and Customer Experience (CxP). And, don’t forget you can follow us on twitter @vovici, or come check us out on Facebook and join the Vovici Network on LinkedIn.

 

Current Articles | RSS Feed RSS Feed

The Limits of Dunbar’s Number

 
2 monkeys grooming

If I ask you to imagine two monkeys, chances are you will picture one monkey grooming the other, picking twigs out of his companion's fur. Grooming, for primates, is a way of strengthening social bonds. Primatologists assert that the number of members of a social group that a primate can keep track of is limited by the volume of their neocortex. For Indri lemurs, it's a group size of 4. For ring-tailed lemurs, it's 15. For Rhesus monkeys, it's 25. And for humans...

Dunbar analyzed social group size and neocortex volume for 38 genera of primates and predicted a human "mean group size" of 148, which -- since it was an estimation -- is typically rounded to 150. He then searched anthropological literature and found many instances of mean group sizes of 150: Neolithic farming villages, Hutterite settlements and Roman army units.

Malcolm Gladwell popularized this apparent limit to natural community size in The Tipping Point, and -- as a result -- all sorts of misapplications of the data have sprung up:

  • You can't have more than 150 friends (according to the otherwise inerrant Seth Godin).
  • Social groups shouldn't exceed 150 people in size.
  • You can't analyze more than 150 survey responses. Er, I mean, you can't build a true online community of more than 150 people.

Interest in Dunbar's number as it might relate to online communities surged again last week. Research re-ran its 2007 article "The size of the matter", and PluggedInCo expanded on a CNet article on Dunbar and Facebook, and Twitter users retweeted both.

To be fair, Dunbar never intended for his work to be used in these ways. He was asserting that small, tight-knit groups that relied on one another for survival had a natural limit of around 150 members, because the human brain could keep track of only 150*149 interrelationships: as Stowe Boyd puts it, "Dunbar's Number represents the largest stable social group, 150 people more or less, where all the members not only know each other, but understand how each member is related to the others, and the nature of their social interactions." (See Seth Godin Misunderstands Dunbar's Number, And Stubs His Toe. Also check out Forget Dunbar's Number: Our Future is in Scoble's Number.)

Many organizational planners think the ideal number of employees in an office, the ideal number of soldiers in an army unit, the ideal number of members in a church, is the Dunbar number. This is all nonsense. Unfortunately, humans have only one neocortex, so you can't devote one to the office, one to the church, one to school and one to that MROC you just joined.

For some MROCs, you want as many people as possible:

  • Thousands or tens of thousands of participants is what you want for brainstorming and sheer volume of idea generation. 
  • You want as many customers participating as possible when you need to segment them by specific demographics.
  • Jacob Morgan, in "Why Dunbar's Number is Irrelevant", writes "the real value of collaboration and of networks doesn't come from strong relationships and networks but from weak ones. In fact, one of Morten's network rules is actually ‘build weak ties, not strong ones.' According to Morten: ‘research shows that weak ties can prove much more helpful ... because they form bridges to worlds we do not walk within. Strong ties, on the other hand, tend to be worlds we already know."

But there are many valid and appropriate reasons to limit the size of some market-research online communities: 

  • Smaller groups foster a true sense of community closeness.
  • Research into sensitive health, financial and other personal matters is richer and deeper in a small close-knit community.
  • The researcher wants to keep track of fewer people.
  • There is less material for the qualitative researcher to wade through and analyze (large communities can produce an embarrassment of riches).
  • There are fewer people who might squeal about the confidential research you are conducting.

Again, there are many valid and appropriate reasons to limit the size of your MROC. Dunbar's number just isn't one of them.

Comments

Ok, fun is fun. 150 is an academic number. Appreciate it as an interesting statistic. This is no reason to apply 150 to everything in life.  
 
The right number for anything depends completely upon the situation and needs. 
 
Imagine a factor analysis with 150 variables and 150 people and 150 iterations. Or just do it properly.
Posted @ Monday, February 15, 2010 8:11 AM by Annie
Jeffrey, 
 
Very well written and excellent point. I am not in agreement on the point that Jacob was trying to make (I think the words are correct, but in his post he misapplied the concept of weak relationships -- just a context thing for me) -- but I think that Dunbar's number is misused constantly.  
 
As you well point out, it refers to inter-connected communities -- not just communities. Communnities of millions can have groups of 150 or less within them that are perfectly within the expectations of this number since they all know each other and of each other.  
 
If you look at my Twitter followers, I can probably make the case of 15-20 sub-groups (maybe more if I had time to investigate) of people who know each other and of each other within 1-2 degrees. Once you get to a third degree (beyond knowing someone or of someone, as in heard the name but don't know who they are, or don't know who they are) the value of the relationship quickly decays (until, at least, you are introduced and move higher in the degree game). 
 
I totally agree with your conclusion for MROC, but the fact is that Dunbar's number is not related to what we are doing today with communities -- and that would've been my only conclusion (with words like "hey, wake you and smell the error in your logic" -- but that is just my style). 
 
Great post, thanks for the research and links.
Posted @ Monday, February 15, 2010 11:16 AM by Esteban Kolsky
Dunbar's number can be exceeded successfuly by categorizing 150 groups of 150 persons each. Thus, you can increase your friends by 22,350 (150x149) thereby having 22,500 friends in total.
Posted @ Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:39 PM by Friendbar's Number
Post Comment
Name
 *
Email
 *
Website (optional)
Comment
 *

Allowed tags: <a> link, <b> bold, <i> italics

Latest Posts

Loading
What's New
Independent Research Report: Why Customer Experience? Why Now?
VoC on Twitter
Verint Blog
Verint Blog: Read the Latest from the Verint Systems Blog